Here's my second flight using the Goggles N3 + Motion 3... I'm definitely a Neomaniac
Learning to fly FPV
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Chrislaf
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Chrislaf
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I’m pretty much decided I will give goggles (N3) a try in the spring but haven’t decided on the MC3 or FPV3. I do have an interest in flying into abandoned buildings which seems like the FPV3 controller would be more suitable for.
Chris
Chris
I have both, and developed manual skills on sticks long before the DJI FPV, mostly on whoops running Betaflight.
I've been flying DJI fpv drones (have all 4 of them) since the DJI FPV. When the MC came out – only DJI FPV was out at the time – got it, and loved it! Back then there was no joystick, or reverse.
I've been a big fan ever since, bought an MC2, and then an MC3 as part of the Avata 2 combo.
I use the MC for probably 90% of my FPV flying. With the addition of reverse on the trigger and the joystick with direct ascent/roll control, there are all control degrees of freedom, so you can get out of any confined space you might get in to.
Still use sticks when I want to do acro, some other things that can only be done in Rate Mode. For me though, the MC is just a ton of fun. Now that Power Loops have been added to Easy Acro on the Avata 2 with the MC3. I hope the add this to the EA features on the Neo in the future.
My recommendation is to start with the MC3, you'll be zooming around and having thrills from the moment you take off. No 30 hours of sim time first. Also, you'll be able to let family and friends give it a go, and they'll be flying decently after the first battery. Can't do that with the RC3.
I've been flying DJI fpv drones (have all 4 of them) since the DJI FPV. When the MC came out – only DJI FPV was out at the time – got it, and loved it! Back then there was no joystick, or reverse.
I've been a big fan ever since, bought an MC2, and then an MC3 as part of the Avata 2 combo.
I use the MC for probably 90% of my FPV flying. With the addition of reverse on the trigger and the joystick with direct ascent/roll control, there are all control degrees of freedom, so you can get out of any confined space you might get in to.
Still use sticks when I want to do acro, some other things that can only be done in Rate Mode. For me though, the MC is just a ton of fun. Now that Power Loops have been added to Easy Acro on the Avata 2 with the MC3. I hope the add this to the EA features on the Neo in the future.
My recommendation is to start with the MC3, you'll be zooming around and having thrills from the moment you take off. No 30 hours of sim time first. Also, you'll be able to let family and friends give it a go, and they'll be flying decently after the first battery. Can't do that with the RC3.
Chrislaf
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Personally I find + and - for both controllers.
JMHO, MC3 is nice for slow flying in tight environments. Before Neo I even flew the Avata2 inside my small by USA standard house. So easy to just "drift" around and under and over various household obstacles. For kicks with the Avata2 I use it occasionally to zip up and down the driveway or township gravel road at sub 0.3 meters. 16m/sec at that altitude gives a real sensation of speed. You also leave a rooster tail of dust. Something I sometimes barely see in the peripheral vision. But neighbors wonder what the H...is our fool of a neighbor doing? Something I wouldn't do using the FPV RC3 in M mode. Avata2 is too expensive to skid and skip across the gravel.
Definitely need the joystick to make steep ascents and descents. Angle, rate of attack ascending and descending is real limited. Initially found the MC3 response a bit on the "dead" and limited side. Just took a few batteries of flight time to get a feel and adjust the brain. Did a "braking" test. Meter off the ground at full throttle in S mode. At a mark released the MC3 trigger. Avata2 motors went into a screaming brake. Stopped way short and no change in altitude of my normal non-DJI Angle mode quad test. Impressed.
FPV RC3. Biggest negative is just again an opinion, feeling. Felt like getting fleeced by DJI. For $299, it is not much of a "controller" in terms of function and features. Add that the actual controller are your Goggles3 or N3 add to the feeling. Otherwise it is more or less as nice as any inexpensive "toy" controller with a few nice functions for manual mode flying. One big wish. In addition to the numerical graph for center stick sensitivity, max rate, and expo setting page. Wish there were curves. Easier to see the effects of changing those parameters v. flight test and readjust.
Just an Angle mode flier with my non-dji quads. Manual mode in those UASs are reserved for wide open spaces at a decent altitude to allow for hopefully recovery of a user loss of control. Bit backwards history. Started flying quads in Manual mode. Major challenge. The so called "Power Loop", aka inside loop are easy as long as you count ending the loop ending not level with the horizon. Over and under rotation was a common outcome. Rolls similar, but more hit the ground events. Level horizon? Real difficult unless slow roll and then right into the tree tops. Countless crash, repair, repeat cycles. Discovered angle mode by accident flying indoors with a tiny whoop (horizon hobby Inductux). Now with sims you can rapidly develop manual mode stick skills. So much easier taking off and landing. Less chance of over rotation, pitch, poor throttle reaction into something. Now add the Neo with stabilization in N and S mode and MC3. Almost crash proof.
If budget limits. Would definitely only purchase the FPV RC3
JMHO, MC3 is nice for slow flying in tight environments. Before Neo I even flew the Avata2 inside my small by USA standard house. So easy to just "drift" around and under and over various household obstacles. For kicks with the Avata2 I use it occasionally to zip up and down the driveway or township gravel road at sub 0.3 meters. 16m/sec at that altitude gives a real sensation of speed. You also leave a rooster tail of dust. Something I sometimes barely see in the peripheral vision. But neighbors wonder what the H...is our fool of a neighbor doing? Something I wouldn't do using the FPV RC3 in M mode. Avata2 is too expensive to skid and skip across the gravel.
Definitely need the joystick to make steep ascents and descents. Angle, rate of attack ascending and descending is real limited. Initially found the MC3 response a bit on the "dead" and limited side. Just took a few batteries of flight time to get a feel and adjust the brain. Did a "braking" test. Meter off the ground at full throttle in S mode. At a mark released the MC3 trigger. Avata2 motors went into a screaming brake. Stopped way short and no change in altitude of my normal non-DJI Angle mode quad test. Impressed.
FPV RC3. Biggest negative is just again an opinion, feeling. Felt like getting fleeced by DJI. For $299, it is not much of a "controller" in terms of function and features. Add that the actual controller are your Goggles3 or N3 add to the feeling. Otherwise it is more or less as nice as any inexpensive "toy" controller with a few nice functions for manual mode flying. One big wish. In addition to the numerical graph for center stick sensitivity, max rate, and expo setting page. Wish there were curves. Easier to see the effects of changing those parameters v. flight test and readjust.
Just an Angle mode flier with my non-dji quads. Manual mode in those UASs are reserved for wide open spaces at a decent altitude to allow for hopefully recovery of a user loss of control. Bit backwards history. Started flying quads in Manual mode. Major challenge. The so called "Power Loop", aka inside loop are easy as long as you count ending the loop ending not level with the horizon. Over and under rotation was a common outcome. Rolls similar, but more hit the ground events. Level horizon? Real difficult unless slow roll and then right into the tree tops. Countless crash, repair, repeat cycles. Discovered angle mode by accident flying indoors with a tiny whoop (horizon hobby Inductux). Now with sims you can rapidly develop manual mode stick skills. So much easier taking off and landing. Less chance of over rotation, pitch, poor throttle reaction into something. Now add the Neo with stabilization in N and S mode and MC3. Almost crash proof.
If budget limits. Would definitely only purchase the FPV RC3
Forgot one other difference. With the FPV RC3 you can use the gimbal rotation dial to set you angle during flying in all three modes on the Avata2. And IIRC also with the Neo in N and S modes.
MC3 on the Neo you can set the gimbal angle prior to take off. I thought it stayed set. Wrong. Stays set while you hover after launch. Moment you tilt, roll the MC3 the gimbal self "centers". Don't use head tracker so unsure if that is available in the Neo. If so, it might be the only way you can control gimbal pitch angle using the MC3.
MC3 on the Neo you can set the gimbal angle prior to take off. I thought it stayed set. Wrong. Stays set while you hover after launch. Moment you tilt, roll the MC3 the gimbal self "centers". Don't use head tracker so unsure if that is available in the Neo. If so, it might be the only way you can control gimbal pitch angle using the MC3.
More opinions. IF DJI ever comes out with a replacement for the DJI FPV and it is basically a super charged Neo. Bin all the autonomous flight features, cell phone control feature, and lame easy Acro.. Less hardware and software to integrate into the flight system. Less things to go wrong or not work as intended. A few less $$s and a few grams less mass. All which could be put into making a proper FPV immersive compact flier under 250gm.
Chrislaf
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The biggest negative for me with the FPV3 controller is the price. It costs more than the NEO does as drone only. I’m going to try Goggles N3 and MC3 first and then if I like it, then maybe later the FPV3 controller. Regardless, it will be exciting to try FPV once the weather gets warmer.
Chris
Chris
While the controller is important, 90% of FPV is the full immersion experience chiefly because of the goggles.
NEO 317
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I agree.
I have the N3 Goggles & MC3 remote, but it's been too cold to fly.
I tried three different times and couldn't make through the tutorials yet.
I'll try again when it gets warmer.
There's one accessory that's difficult to aquire at times when flying with goggles and that's the Visual Observer.
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Chrislaf
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Here in Canada a Visual Observer is required for Goggles flights for drones that are greater than 250g, but for drones less than 250g the rules are basically do not put manned flight or people in danger. I'm not sure if the visual observer rule would apply to a drone like the NEO but I will look into it before I fork out for Goggles since I usually fly alone often in the bush off trails.I agree.
I have the N3 Goggles & MC3 remote, but it's been too cold to fly.
I tried three different times and couldn't make through the tutorials yet.
I'll try again when it gets warmer.
There's one accessory that's difficult to aquire at times when flying with goggles and that's the Visual Observer.
.
Chris
I agree.
I have the N3 Goggles & MC3 remote, but it's been too cold to fly.
I tried three different times and couldn't make through the tutorials yet.
I'll try again when it gets warmer.
There's one accessory that's difficult to aquire at times when flying with goggles and that's the Visual Observer.
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As an otherwise strictly legal pilot, this is the one rule I ignore and violate all the time. I'll have a spotter when safety truly requires it.
It was not created with FPV in mind, is utterly ridiculous for most FPV flight, and needs to change.
I am taking a risk, and do not advocate any one else violate this rule. I also, in my personal opinion, don't actually think I'm at any risk at all of running afoul of the FAA. They truly have better, much better things to spend their time on.
Even if that person here who really doesn't like me carries through on their threat to turn me in
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